PETE ROSE..
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9andaWiggle
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A lot of people brought that up when the Astros news broke... I don't expect a reversal, but it could make for some brief, interesting waves in the sports news world.
THEY SAY THE REASON ROSE WONT BE REINSTATED IS BECAUSE HE LIED ABOUT THE GAMBLING. THE WHOLE STROS TEAM LIED ABOUT STEALING SIGNS UNTIL 2 OF THEM ADMITED IT. IF ROSE IS OUT, THE WHOLE STROS TEAM SHOULD BE OUT. CANT HAVE 2 STANDARDS. SEEMS LIKE HE COULD SUE MLB FOR DOUBLE STANDARD.
9andaWiggle
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No. And Pete Rose should be let in too!
I say "No" due to my understanding that other teams were doing basically the same thing (and have been for as long as basevall has existed). Basically, the Astros had the audacity to play the part of David and angered the Goliaths. Thus, the lowly Astros HAD to be made example of to ensure other lesser teams in the league know their place.
Sign Stealing article from SI dated 2018
This is another good article
Everybody does it. The "Haves" get away with it, and the "Have Nots" get the book thrown at them. I'll change my mind IF the Red Sox receive the same level of punishment the Astros do. But I bet they don't.
I HAVE MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT ROSE. HE BET, THEN LIED ABOUT IT. BUT THE NUMBERS HE PUT UP WERE NOT A PART OF HIS BETTING. HIS NICKNAME WASNT "CHARLIE MIGHT HUSSLE".
SIGN STEALING HAS BEEN A PART OF BASEBALL FOREVER. BUT ONCE CAMERAS WERE INTRODUCED, RULES WERE PUT IN PLACE TO MAKE IT ILLEGAL TO USE THEM FOR THAT PURPOSE. DOES IT HAPPEN IN EVERYDAY LEAGUE PLAY, PROBABLY. SHOULD IT HAPPEN IN THE PLAYOFFS OR THE WORLD SERIES, NO. THE INTEGRITY OF A GAME, THAT IS LOSING FAN BASE ON A DAILY BASIS, JUST TOOK A KICK TO THE NUTSACK. FIXING A WORLD SERIES HAS A PRECEDENT FOR THIS. REMEMBER THE 1919 BLACK SOX. ALL PLAYERS PARTICIPATING IN THE "CHEATING" WERE HANDED LIFE BANS FROM MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL.
BOTH ARTICLES CALL IT "CHEATING".
SIGN STEALING HAS BEEN A PART OF BASEBALL FOREVER. BUT ONCE CAMERAS WERE INTRODUCED, RULES WERE PUT IN PLACE TO MAKE IT ILLEGAL TO USE THEM FOR THAT PURPOSE. DOES IT HAPPEN IN EVERYDAY LEAGUE PLAY, PROBABLY. SHOULD IT HAPPEN IN THE PLAYOFFS OR THE WORLD SERIES, NO. THE INTEGRITY OF A GAME, THAT IS LOSING FAN BASE ON A DAILY BASIS, JUST TOOK A KICK TO THE NUTSACK. FIXING A WORLD SERIES HAS A PRECEDENT FOR THIS. REMEMBER THE 1919 BLACK SOX. ALL PLAYERS PARTICIPATING IN THE "CHEATING" WERE HANDED LIFE BANS FROM MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL.
BOTH ARTICLES CALL IT "CHEATING".
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9andaWiggle
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IMO, if baseball wanted to put an end to sign stealing they could: just do away with signs. Make it the pitcher's responsibility to study his opponents and make the right pitch for a given situation. Coaches can coach when players are in the dugout.
Also, if you want to toss all the Astros players, better toss everyone from any/all teams that were doing anything remotely similar as well.
I guess I'm not overly concerned either way. I'm not a die-hard nor involved fan. I might watch parts of 2 or 3 games a year. I only watched 2 entire Astros games during the WS they won. I didn't watch any of the 2019 playoff/WS games.
Also, if you want to toss all the Astros players, better toss everyone from any/all teams that were doing anything remotely similar as well.
I guess I'm not overly concerned either way. I'm not a die-hard nor involved fan. I might watch parts of 2 or 3 games a year. I only watched 2 entire Astros games during the WS they won. I didn't watch any of the 2019 playoff/WS games.
NOTHING HEAVY WILL BE DONE 9. BUT THATS WHY BASEBALL IS SPIRALING DOWN.
AND WITH WHAT HAPPENED, SIGNALS WILL BE ALTERED OR CHANGED. MAYBE EVEN FROM BATTER TO BATTER.
WITH THAT SAID, BASEBALL SHOULD ALLOW ROIDS AND PEDS. ITS THE PLAYERS BODY, NOT BASEBALLS. KNOWING WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING, EVERYTHING SHOULD BE LEGAL.
AND WITH WHAT HAPPENED, SIGNALS WILL BE ALTERED OR CHANGED. MAYBE EVEN FROM BATTER TO BATTER.
WITH THAT SAID, BASEBALL SHOULD ALLOW ROIDS AND PEDS. ITS THE PLAYERS BODY, NOT BASEBALLS. KNOWING WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING, EVERYTHING SHOULD BE LEGAL.
9andaWiggle
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In RE: to the roids - add in the fact people love to see the ball knocked out of the park. Unless you're a true, die-hard lover of the game and understand all of the ins, outs and various strategies, defensive baseball games are boring for the average fan. While watching a game is more fun at the ballpark, $10 for a cheap beer and $8 for a cold hotdog on a stale bun after paying $20 for parking on top of the ticket price is just obscene. Baseball has more issues than just cheating scandals...
OH YEAH. THERE ARE MANY REASONS. PEOPLE LOVE TO SEE THE BALL LEAVE THE YARD. AND IF THEY START PAYING COLLEGE KIDS, YOUR BEER AND HOT DOG WILL BE $40 OR $50. BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE TO RAISE THE ENTERING MINIMUM, THEN RAISE THE AVERAGE PLAYER, THEN RAISE THE SUPER STARS. I DONT THINK BASEBALL COULD SURVIVE THAT.