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NIKE IS WORTH MILLIONS SO THEY WILL OVERCOME THE BACKLASH. I PERSONALY THINK IT WAS A BAD IDEA. AND UNTIL THE NFL COMES OUT WITH A FINAL DECISION ON WHAT THEY INTEND TO DO ABOUT THE KNEELERS, I DONT THINK IT IS RIGHT TO AIR IT DURING NFL GAMES. TO ME ITS JUST ADDING FUEL TO THE FLAME. "BELIEVE IN SOMETHING - EVEN IF IT MEANS SACRIFICING EVERYTHING" WHAT!!!? IF HE REALLY BELIEVED THAT, WHY IS HE SUING THE NFL?
9andaWiggle
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This.
Good Times Good Times
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I really just don't care what other people do when it's not affecting me........I personally remove my hat and stand for the anthem, but again I don't care what others do.
I marvel at the brilliance of our constitution. I believe everyone has the right to think freely, free speech and the right to express their views. However, the constitution does NOT guaranty the right to be heard, or the right to a platform and captive audience. He can protest until his fucking dick falls off for all I give a shit.... on his own time because the people who bought tickets to those games and other events did NOT lay out money to watch his crying little bitch ass disrespect our American Flag.
Good Times Good Times
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I'm sorry, I just find it interesting when other people want to see forced or non-genuine respect and care what others do. I get it though, minds are made up.
Again, I PERSONALLY do stand so I'm with you b/c I understand the history of the flag. I do not however worship the flag or feel the need to signal my patriotism and "fall in line" with the sheep. I find the idea of it being "disrespect" interesting, as if it is entitled to the respect of everyone.
AlwaysWrite
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… and that's an important (and logical point).
I THOUGHT KAEPERNICK WAS PAID, GOOD MONEY, TO BE A QUARTERBACK. NOT A SPOKEPERSON FOR WHATEVER HIS CAUSE IS. AS LONG AS HE HAD ON A SAN FRAN JERSEY, OR ANY FUTURE JERSEY, HE IS A QUARTERBACK. WHEN HE PUTS ON HIS STREET CLOTHES, THEN HE IS AN INDIVIDUAL AND CAN SPEAK HIS MIND. I DO THINK THE NFL SHOULD STAY OUT OF IT THOUGH. THE TEAM OWNER SHOULD HAVE THE LAST SAY IN WHAT TAKES PLACE WITH THEIR TEAM. I TOO STAND FOR THE ANTHEM AND THINK ALL SHOULD. SOMETIMES BEING A SHEEP IS A GOOD THING FOR ALL. NO 9, THATS NOT WHAT I MEAN!!!
AlwaysWrite
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AMEN!
What spectators do is their business. They paid for the ticket. What the players do is something else. They're being paid to play football. They are on the clock when they show up. They do not have the right to a captive audience who paid to see a game.
Good Times Good Times
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The guy was pumped to watch the NFL but an advertisement scared him away? That's precious.
But that's up to the owners to decide.
We get emails constantly from different offices at work, sanctioned by corporate, about various charities and causes.
The point I'm making is that as a fan I can take the stance they are there to play football, but if the owners allow it, the only thing we can do is not watch or buy a ticket.
Many actors so the same thing and many movies are politically or socially influenced by actors, directors, or producers.
Just watch the last star wars movie. The producers and directors are doing the equivalent of an NFL player taking a knee. Obviously it was rubber stamped, but many viewers like myself were taken back by the overt sjw themes in the movie.
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Good Times Good Times
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I didn't realize I was held captive if I went to an NFL game.
For real though, I simply can't imagine people caring so much about these stupid things that truly do not matter. It's just an opportunity to virtue signal (BOTH WAYS players and "patriots") to each sides' respective tribe.
Tribalism is all this is, and I don't participate in that and actually find it quite shallow and sad.
For real though, I simply can't imagine people caring so much about these stupid things that truly do not matter. It's just an opportunity to virtue signal (BOTH WAYS players and "patriots") to each sides' respective tribe.
Tribalism is all this is, and I don't participate in that and actually find it quite shallow and sad.
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Good Times Good Times
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I sought this explanation out:
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What I’ve heard most is, because the protesting players are being disrespectful. They’re disrespecting our flag. Disrespecting our country. Disrespecting our servicemen and women who’ve died defending our country and our flag. That’s what people say. But maybe there’s another reason. Deep down what people really don’t like, whether they know it or not and whether they can admit it or not, is the players’ disrespecting them. We love our country. We love our flag. We love what it stands for. We have a tradition of standing before the game to show that honor. It’s people’s own showing of respect that they don’t like being disrespected. The fact is, though Americans are taught (used to be taught?) to revere the Bill of Rights, we don’t like protests. Especially not while a song glorifying our country is being sung, or a big flag being unfurled, or our military flying mightily overhead. We may be willing to acknowledge generally that our country has made mistakes, but we don’t want to have to see, don’t want to have to think about, our specific imperfections, past or present. We don’t want to think about the implications of those imperfections, now or in the future. We know precisely the mistakes and imperfections these particular guys are protesting and a lot of people particularly don’t like seeing or thinking about that. If we see, we might just see some things that aren’t good. If we see, we might have to admit some things should change. If we see, we might ourselves be changed. That’s what scares us. This is why we don’t want protests where 75,000 of us are gathered on sunny Sundays celebrating our team and – in those singing, flag-waving, fly-over moments – our country’s greatness. We like protests to happen at appointed places and times, off in some designated someplace we are not. Makes it easier to not see them. We like protesters corralled into approved areas that are often called, cynically, “First Amendment Zones.” Makes it easier not to hear them. Here’s something we might try at the next game. As our hearts fill with patriotic pride and our voices rise in that final crescendo about the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave – let’s see if we’re free enough and brave enough to risk seeing the things about our great country that challenge us. That might make us uncomfortable. That might rattle us in a different way than the jets flying overhead."
This is amazing to me that people are afraid of being uncomfortable. Why do you need ME to respect you?
Hypothetically, why would GTGT need anyone to respect his own showing of respect? Do you all realize how retarded that sounds?
You guys are extremely authoritarian.
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What I’ve heard most is, because the protesting players are being disrespectful. They’re disrespecting our flag. Disrespecting our country. Disrespecting our servicemen and women who’ve died defending our country and our flag. That’s what people say. But maybe there’s another reason. Deep down what people really don’t like, whether they know it or not and whether they can admit it or not, is the players’ disrespecting them. We love our country. We love our flag. We love what it stands for. We have a tradition of standing before the game to show that honor. It’s people’s own showing of respect that they don’t like being disrespected. The fact is, though Americans are taught (used to be taught?) to revere the Bill of Rights, we don’t like protests. Especially not while a song glorifying our country is being sung, or a big flag being unfurled, or our military flying mightily overhead. We may be willing to acknowledge generally that our country has made mistakes, but we don’t want to have to see, don’t want to have to think about, our specific imperfections, past or present. We don’t want to think about the implications of those imperfections, now or in the future. We know precisely the mistakes and imperfections these particular guys are protesting and a lot of people particularly don’t like seeing or thinking about that. If we see, we might just see some things that aren’t good. If we see, we might have to admit some things should change. If we see, we might ourselves be changed. That’s what scares us. This is why we don’t want protests where 75,000 of us are gathered on sunny Sundays celebrating our team and – in those singing, flag-waving, fly-over moments – our country’s greatness. We like protests to happen at appointed places and times, off in some designated someplace we are not. Makes it easier to not see them. We like protesters corralled into approved areas that are often called, cynically, “First Amendment Zones.” Makes it easier not to hear them. Here’s something we might try at the next game. As our hearts fill with patriotic pride and our voices rise in that final crescendo about the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave – let’s see if we’re free enough and brave enough to risk seeing the things about our great country that challenge us. That might make us uncomfortable. That might rattle us in a different way than the jets flying overhead."
This is amazing to me that people are afraid of being uncomfortable. Why do you need ME to respect you?
Hypothetically, why would GTGT need anyone to respect his own showing of respect? Do you all realize how retarded that sounds?
You guys are extremely authoritarian.
That cuts both ways. What I've learned is that's it's ok for one group to feel uncomfortable but God forbid a minority group be uncomfortable because if they are the SJWs will come out and then folks start losing jobs. Folks can only have opinions if they are in agreement with the social liberal opinion.
So yeah, I don't buy that a bit.
Good Times Good Times
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Well, to be fair, I call SJW's retards, and intellectually bankrupt as well. Don't validate an SJW.
Again, I simply do not care about the opinions of others, even if they're wrong (I do enjoy mocking the blatantly stupid ones to an extent). I enjoy debate in the proper forum, but ultimately I'm not really offended by other opinions as I can't control that.
You have to look at the big picture. These guys are getting paid to show up and work, just like anyone else. You don't care if they have something to say about the flag. I get that. But where does it end? Would you be okay with paying for a ticket and watching them carry a nazi flag around while the players salute? How about having them bow for the ISIS flag as it passes by? Maybe a having a few players pray to satan after each touch down? I'm simply saying that, even tho they have the right to speak, doesn't mean they have a right to be heard. They can protest and piss into the wind if they want to on their own time. Which, BTW, not one fucking one of them did, which tells me they are not even genuine in their display.
Good Times Good Times
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Well, I don't know if I would consider bringing in a Nazi or ISIS flag as an equivalent to a peaceful protest.....that's quite a way down the spectrum. So I definitely think the line is past kneeling but before a Nazi or ISIS flag. They're just different things. Not everyone will stop buying tickets over a peaceful protest but they WILL (and RIGHTFULLY SO) if you bring in a Nazi or ISIS flag.
A peaceful protest is not equivalent to a fascist governmental regime or islamic terrorist ideology.
I see your point though Greg, I honestly do.
My opinion is.........I think their cause is well intentioned but I don't think it's properly executed. Certainly with some thought a better strategy could have been formed.....................BUT, the conversation is being had.
This is one of those things that would be best discussed in person as a group as opposed to over this forum.
9andaWiggle
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The cause may have been well intended. However, they have either failed to see or failed to care that what has been talked about most is NOT the cause they began with. That got lost in the noise long ago.
A wise move for Kaep WOULD have been, when the furor roared and the focus veered 180° away from police abusing authority, to step up to the mic and simply state: "I did what I did to shed light on this situation. I meant no disrespect to my country or our veterans who fought for my freedom to protest. As a result, I have set up 'XYZ' as a venue for myself and others to continue advocating towards justice and a better tomorrow for all Americans. I will resume standing for the Anthem at all games, and I ask for your support via 'XYZ'. Thank you."
And there. Done. 2 Weeks and the whole kneeling thing is over with, a process / organization to support the cause launched, and everyone would have been loving football again.
Who knows, perhaps he would still be playing too if he hadn't turned himself into a distraction that caused a big black eye for the league. Employers tend to frown on things that hurt their ratings and sales revenues...