NEW SHOOTING
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Exactly. That is EXACTLY my point and I'm glad you finally let it soak in. It's not the gun. It's not the knife. You can't blame the tool simply because some idiot wants to do some damage. The Aussies found out. Took the guns. No change in violent crime, except the rapes continue to increase at an alarming rate. The U.K. found out when they took the guns. they're using knives now and the death rate by stabbing continues to increase. These people are finding out that you can't penalize the law abiding citizens for something that is out of their control. As I said many times, why not we focus on the real problem? Why not find out why America has such a high nutcase population and take a stand to fix that? I'll tell you why. Population control.
Good Times Good Times
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It's all good guys, you're going to get your way politically. The 2A is safe! Savor the freedom.
I'm not even politicizing this debate. I'm speaking common sense, or shall I say "logic"? If a person cannot effectively protect themselves from a person intending to do them harm, it only proves to increase the amount of attacks. The criminals get bolder.
Good Times Good Times
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WaPo has more details on this one (now 5 dead, he killed his wife the night before). Dude spent 6 minutes lighting up an elementary school:
Children were still hurrying in when the gunman’s white pickup truck came tearing down the street and crashed into the school’s locked gate. A man later identified as Kevin J. Neal jumped out, wielding a semi-automatic rifle and wearing a vest packing additional ammunition, authorities said.
Children, school staff and parents huddled inside under desks and in offices. Outside, Neal raised his rifle and began to fire. Police said in the hours leading up to that moment, he had killed his wife and hidden her body before beginning a bloody rampage across this community about 135 miles north of Sacramento.
Neal, who also tried to open doors and get inside, fired at the school for six agonizing minutes, shattering windows and shooting through wooden walls, authorities said. One bullet struck a child, while others were wounded with broken glass. Neal eventually “became frustrated” and gave up, abandoning the school, Phil Johnston, an assistant sheriff in Tehama County, told reporters."
Why didn't the teachers return fire, suppress the suspect and flank him? The only thing that will stop a guy with a gun is coordinated military tactics. A Drill Sargent for every elementary school is the only way to go, obviously.
Hey some people need to hunt and stuff so I guess giving children a legit warzone experience is just something we have to live with in USA#1.
Children were still hurrying in when the gunman’s white pickup truck came tearing down the street and crashed into the school’s locked gate. A man later identified as Kevin J. Neal jumped out, wielding a semi-automatic rifle and wearing a vest packing additional ammunition, authorities said.
Children, school staff and parents huddled inside under desks and in offices. Outside, Neal raised his rifle and began to fire. Police said in the hours leading up to that moment, he had killed his wife and hidden her body before beginning a bloody rampage across this community about 135 miles north of Sacramento.
Neal, who also tried to open doors and get inside, fired at the school for six agonizing minutes, shattering windows and shooting through wooden walls, authorities said. One bullet struck a child, while others were wounded with broken glass. Neal eventually “became frustrated” and gave up, abandoning the school, Phil Johnston, an assistant sheriff in Tehama County, told reporters."
Why didn't the teachers return fire, suppress the suspect and flank him? The only thing that will stop a guy with a gun is coordinated military tactics. A Drill Sargent for every elementary school is the only way to go, obviously.
Hey some people need to hunt and stuff so I guess giving children a legit warzone experience is just something we have to live with in USA#1.
bbfreeburn
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Thank you for differentiating. Although "logic" rarely is that. But at least it's better terminology than "common sense."
G, THE PERSON DOESNT DO ANY DAMAGE UNTIL THEY GET A WEAPON. THE WEAPON MAKES THE PERSON A KILLER. THE PERSON DOES NOT MAKE THE GUN A WEAPON. SO YES, IT IS THE TOOL SIR. THIS ISNT THE U.K., CANNOT COMPARE THE TWO. AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE, GUNS GIVE PEOPLE BALLS THEY DO NOT NORMALLY HAVE.
No no no no noooooooo...the weapon does NOT make the person a killer any more than wrench makes a mechanic, or a hammer makes a carpenter.. You suddenly have a fucked up way of thinking, dude. You really should try to stop and think about what you're saying.
SO IF SOMEONE HAS KILLING ON THEIR MIND, ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS WALK UP AND SAY DIE DAMN IT, DIE. DONT THINK SO. IF YOU DONT WANT TO BE A MECHANIC, WHY DO YOU NEED A WRENCH? IF YOU DONT WANT TO BE A CARPENTER, WHY DO YOU NEED A HAMMER? IF YOU DONT WANT TO BE A KILLER, WHY DO YOU NEED A GUN?
Seriously? Now you're fucking with me, right? Ya gotta be fucking with me.
Gun sales and new dun ownership has been increasing at an incredible rate beginning in the late 90s. Know what has been DEcreasing at an incredible rate? Read it here.
Violent crime increased a bit in 2016 BUT Chicago is responsible for 20% of that increase!! WHY????? They have nearly the strictest gun laws.
KEEPING CRIMINALS IN PRISON LONGER? PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAVE COMPLAINED FOR YEARS THE COST OF UPKEEP ON THE EXISTING PRISONS. SO SPEND MORE? KEEPING CRIMINALS IN PRISON LONGER WILL STOP NEW CRIMINALS FROM COMMITING CRIMES? IF THAT WORKS, IM ALL FOR THAT.
HOME INVASIONS HAVE INCREASED IN THAT SAME TIME FRAME. AND, MOST RAPES HAPPEN DURING A HOME INVASION. THE POSTED GRAPH SAYS "REPORTED" VIOLENT CRIMES. MEANING NOT ALL VIOLENT CRIME IS REPORTED, SO THOSE FIGURES ARE SKEWED.
I CAN ATTEST TO THAT. I RECENTLY MOVED TO EAST TEXAS FROM DALLAS. MY SISTER AND HER KIDS MOVED INTO MY HOUSE IN DALLAS. ABOUT 45 DAYS AGO, THERE WAS A DRIVE BY SHOOTING. THE MAN WAS IN HIS CAR WHEN HE WAS SHOT AND KILLED. NEVER MADE THE NEWS NOR A FOOTNOTE IN THE NEWSPAPER. NOT ALL CITIES AND STATES REPORT EVERYTHING SO IT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE CRIME IS DOWN.
NOW, ON TO IMOGEN.
HOME INVASIONS HAVE INCREASED IN THAT SAME TIME FRAME. AND, MOST RAPES HAPPEN DURING A HOME INVASION. THE POSTED GRAPH SAYS "REPORTED" VIOLENT CRIMES. MEANING NOT ALL VIOLENT CRIME IS REPORTED, SO THOSE FIGURES ARE SKEWED.
I CAN ATTEST TO THAT. I RECENTLY MOVED TO EAST TEXAS FROM DALLAS. MY SISTER AND HER KIDS MOVED INTO MY HOUSE IN DALLAS. ABOUT 45 DAYS AGO, THERE WAS A DRIVE BY SHOOTING. THE MAN WAS IN HIS CAR WHEN HE WAS SHOT AND KILLED. NEVER MADE THE NEWS NOR A FOOTNOTE IN THE NEWSPAPER. NOT ALL CITIES AND STATES REPORT EVERYTHING SO IT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE CRIME IS DOWN.
NOW, ON TO IMOGEN.
bbfreeburn
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"Common Sense", literacy and logic.
DRAMATIC DECLINE IN GUN SALES. 10% DROP SINCE TRUMP ELECTION.
OUT OF 23 HIGH INCOME NATIONS;
AMERICANS ARE 10 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE KILLED BY GUNS.
GUN RELATED MURDER RATE 25 TIMES HIGHER.
GUN RELATED SUICIDE RATE 8 TIMES HIGHER.
US HAS A MUCH HIGHER RATE OF DEADLY VIOLENCE DUE TO GUN RELATED MURDERS.
MORE THAN 2/3 OF HOMICIDES IN US ARE FIREARM HOMICIDES.
MORE OFFENDERS HAVE A GUN BECAUUSE THEY ASSUME THEIR VICTIM HAS A GUN.
THE US HAS HALF THE TOTAL POPULATION OF ALL 22 COMBINED, BUT HAS 82% OF THE GUN DEATHS.
US ACCOUNTED FOR 90% OF ALL WOMEN KILLED BY GUNS.
US ACCOUNTED FOR 91% OF ALL CHILDREN UNDER AGE 14 KILLED BY GUNS.
US ACCOUNTED FOR 92% OF ALL PEOPLE BETWEEN AGE 15 AND 24 KILLED BY GUNS.
MORE THAN HALF THE WOMEN KILLED WITH GUNS IN US ARE KILLED BY THIER PARTNER.
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE VICTIMS ARE 5 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE KILLED IF HER PARTNER OWNS A GUN.
AMERICAN WOMEN ARE 11 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE MURDERED BY A GUN THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY.
FROM SHAPIRO PANEL;
JAPANESE SUICIDE RATE WOULD DOUBLE IF GUNS WERE AVAILABLE.
THE 6 STATES HE NAMED AS LOWEST GUN CRIMES, 5 ARE AMONG LOWEST POPULATION.
6TH IS IN TOP 15 LOWEST.
SHAPIRO ONLY USED THE WORD TOOL ONCE WHEN REFERING TO GUNS.
DAMN! THAT TOOK AWHILE. ENJOY.
OUT OF 23 HIGH INCOME NATIONS;
AMERICANS ARE 10 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE KILLED BY GUNS.
GUN RELATED MURDER RATE 25 TIMES HIGHER.
GUN RELATED SUICIDE RATE 8 TIMES HIGHER.
US HAS A MUCH HIGHER RATE OF DEADLY VIOLENCE DUE TO GUN RELATED MURDERS.
MORE THAN 2/3 OF HOMICIDES IN US ARE FIREARM HOMICIDES.
MORE OFFENDERS HAVE A GUN BECAUUSE THEY ASSUME THEIR VICTIM HAS A GUN.
THE US HAS HALF THE TOTAL POPULATION OF ALL 22 COMBINED, BUT HAS 82% OF THE GUN DEATHS.
US ACCOUNTED FOR 90% OF ALL WOMEN KILLED BY GUNS.
US ACCOUNTED FOR 91% OF ALL CHILDREN UNDER AGE 14 KILLED BY GUNS.
US ACCOUNTED FOR 92% OF ALL PEOPLE BETWEEN AGE 15 AND 24 KILLED BY GUNS.
MORE THAN HALF THE WOMEN KILLED WITH GUNS IN US ARE KILLED BY THIER PARTNER.
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE VICTIMS ARE 5 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE KILLED IF HER PARTNER OWNS A GUN.
AMERICAN WOMEN ARE 11 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE MURDERED BY A GUN THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY.
FROM SHAPIRO PANEL;
JAPANESE SUICIDE RATE WOULD DOUBLE IF GUNS WERE AVAILABLE.
THE 6 STATES HE NAMED AS LOWEST GUN CRIMES, 5 ARE AMONG LOWEST POPULATION.
6TH IS IN TOP 15 LOWEST.
SHAPIRO ONLY USED THE WORD TOOL ONCE WHEN REFERING TO GUNS.
DAMN! THAT TOOK AWHILE. ENJOY.
You can post all the shit you want, but until you come up with a viable solution to violent death it all means nothing.
ITS NOT SHIT, AMERICAN LIVES DO MEAN SOMETHING, TO ME ANYWAY. RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERS SHOULD WANT TO HELP FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION BEFORE THINGS DONT GO THEIR WAY ANYMORE. YOU GOT ANY GOOD IDEAS G? OR IS IT LIKE GT SAID, JUST LET US KEEP DROPPING LIKE FLIES AS LONG AS GUN OWNERS ARE HAPPY.
I do have ideas. Make EVERYONE enter the military for a two year minimum right out of high school, and allow them to keep their weapon upon their discharge. The best way to stop bad guns is with good guns.